tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3033288879708780106.post6244325985824014713..comments2023-04-07T05:19:44.951-04:00Comments on Yes Vermont Yankee: Vermont Yankee closed: the consequences were completely predictableMeredith Angwinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02737538041807740424noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3033288879708780106.post-86771378401591384822015-10-12T16:32:55.358-04:002015-10-12T16:32:55.358-04:00You are correct that operation and maintenance cos...You are correct that operation and maintenance costs at nuclear plants are higher (in general) than similar costs at fossil steam plants (mostly coal) or gas turbines. However, fuel costs are much lower for nuclear plants. I encourage you to look at the operating records for all sorts of plants, in the U.S. for the last ten years. <br /><br />http://www.eia.gov/electricity/annual/html/epa_08_04.html<br /><br />When you look at the "total" column, you will see that nuclear is steadily less expensive than anything except hydro.<br /><br />You may be wondering where the renewables are on this table. This is a conventional-only table, and that is probably a good thing. These costs can be determined easily. In contrast, it is very hard to get a handle on renewable costs. There is no question that the electricity from wind turbines and solar panels has become less expensive. However, renewables also have hidden costs, which show up on your bill, but don't show up in conventional analysis.<br /><br />For example, a wind turbine may "bid in" to the market with a negative number: "We'll pay you 2 cents per kWh to tai our power!" Does that mean the wind power is free? Well, no. The wind turbine is also selling a REC (renewable energy certificate) for each of these kWh. It is selling those RECs to a utility that needs to buy them: the utility purchase is mandated by a state renewable program. The RECs are often as much as 6 cents per kWh. However, the WIND turbine company doesn't pay this. The poor utility who has to buy the REC rolls the REC price into its overhead costs, where it disappears from view (but not from your bill). But if the wind turbine couldn't sell the REC, it couldn't bid in at "take my power and I will pay you to do so." So what is the real cost of a kWh of wind? <br /><br />I just want to say that competition of the grid is not a simple matter of high-priced employees have driven nuclear out of business. Nuclear has had high-priced employees forever, and nuclear generally still beats conventional sources for low cost power. <br /><br />As they say on FB "it's complicated."<br /><br />Meredith Angwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02737538041807740424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3033288879708780106.post-81029343361215028212015-10-12T15:48:16.299-04:002015-10-12T15:48:16.299-04:00Well, since Reagan, the only economics allowed is ...Well, since Reagan, the only economics allowed is free lunch economics - TANSTAAFL economics of the pre-Reagan era fell out of favor, the era of capitalism and PUCs that set rates to pay the 8-10% ROICs that drove utilities to invest a lot of money.<br /><br />Free lunch economics calls for tax cuts to put money in your pockets, and competition and deregulation of power generation to cut over investment in unneeded utility power generation.<br /><br />The idea was to cut the price of civilization, of energy capitalism, based on the idea that paying less would never have a cost, that lower prices would result in high costs.<br /><br />When the focus switched from paying high wages by forcing more stuff like energy at prices high enough to pay those high wages, to lower prices for stuff, like energy, no one declared up front: lower prices will cost you your middle class lifestyle. Instead, its was sold as a free lunch: the deregulation will lower prices and everyone will be richer.<br /><br />To keep Vt Yankee open would have required significant higher prices for electric power, which would have required higher electric rates, and in a deregulated market, anyone who could would stop buying from Vt Yankee and it would go bankrupt with high debt.<br /><br />So, thanks to both the Reagan and now Freedom Caucus conservatives attacking PUCs and the anti-nuclear opposition attacking PUCs in the 70s, nuclear power plants are rarely viable without big government subsidies because they do not have the government forcing consumers to pay the high labor costs of nuclear power.<br /><br />You can accept a high school drop out digging coal, drill baby drilling, but you do not want the high school drop out doing the welding that must be perfect in a nuclear plant or running the reactor according to written checklists. Nuclear power requires rate payer pay enough to pay high wages.<br /><br />Which is great for the communities with all those high paid workers! But you can't have low electric rates and high paid workers!mulphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14149487211960071193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3033288879708780106.post-58688746426589005862015-10-05T15:36:52.004-04:002015-10-05T15:36:52.004-04:00And, burning wood and refuse is really good for th...And, burning wood and refuse is really good for the air, just depends on how many batteries get through undetected. :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3033288879708780106.post-64633047065439709502015-10-05T00:45:06.872-04:002015-10-05T00:45:06.872-04:00So wind and solar, the Green panaceas, were roughl...So wind and solar, the Green panaceas, were roughly 6% of the roughly 7%, or about 0.4% of the total demand.<br /><br />And the Greens think they can run the nation on them.<br /><br />They are <i>insane!</i>Engineer-Poethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06420685176098522332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3033288879708780106.post-29200359851633487732015-10-05T00:43:07.262-04:002015-10-05T00:43:07.262-04:00So wind and solar were about 6% of the roughly 7%,...So wind and solar were about 6% of the roughly 7%, on the order of 0.4% of the total demand.<br /><br />And the Greens think they are going to run the nation on them.<br /><br />They are <i>insane!</i>Engineer-Poethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06420685176098522332noreply@blogger.com