The Consumer Liaison Group
The purpose of the Consumer Liaison Group (CLG) is to be the voice of the electricity consumer in advising the grid operator, ISO-NE. As you can see by this page in their website, ISO-NE has many advisory and working groups, including groups on marketing, transmission, and planning As you can read in this CLG annual report: The Consumer Liaison Group (CLG) is a forum for sharing information between ISO New England (ISO) and those who ultimately use and pay for electricity in New England.
I am the Vermont representative to the Coordinating Committee of the CLG. I used to be one of two representatives (states can have several representatives) but the representative from the Department of Public Service recently resigned. I expect another representative will be nominated soon.
The Upcoming Meeting in New Hampshire
The next CLG meeting will take place on October 9 in New Hampshire (announcement above). The subject of this meeting is the important issue of integrating renewables to the grid.
CLG meetings rotate between the six New England states, along with frequent meetings in Boston. Here's my description of the meeting in Vermont in March, when I was the panel chair. Here is the official (and excellent) summary of the Vermont meeting.
Gus Fromuth, New Hampshire representative, will chair the panel for the upcoming meeting. Here's a link to the meeting agenda, including call-in information if you can't attend in person.
Somewhat surprisingly, a representative from Green Mountain Power will be on the panel, though Green Mountain Power only operates in Vermont, not New Hampshire. However, the meeting panels address regional issues, as well as state issues.
The meetings are free and open to the public. They usually provide a lunch, so it is best to register in advance. It is not-good, seriously not-good, to register and be a no-show (wastes the cost of a lunch). On the other hand, you can come at the last minute and I encourage you to come. There's always room at the meeting. The worst that can happen if you show up at the last minute would be---you don't get lunch. (But there's usually plenty of food. ) Note: You can call in, if you can't attend in person.
Links:
For technical reasons (I can't mount a pdf on a blogspot post, so I have to play with it), the links in the announcement above do not work. Here are the links from the announcement, in the order in which they appear on the announcement.
Sheraton Portsmouth Harborside Hotel
CLG and CLG webpage
Register
Mary Louise "Weezie" Nuara email mnuara@iso-ne.com
I hope to see you in New Hampshire!
Showing posts with label meetings. Show all posts
Showing posts with label meetings. Show all posts
Tuesday, September 22, 2015
Wednesday, July 1, 2015
Mostly about Vermont Yankee: The Boston Meeting on the future New England Energy Mix
Looking forward to Nuclear Going Forward
On June 24, in Boston, Bloomberg BNA and Nuclear Matters co-sponsored an event about the future of nuclear, Nuclear Going Forward. The two organizations are holding a series of these joint events. The June meeting was A Chain Reaction: The Role of Nuclear Energy in New England's Energy Mix.
The June meeting had an absolutely stellar line-up of speakers, including nuclear plant owners and nuclear start-up companies. In this meeting, nuclear energy (current and future) was not compartmentalized, but rather presented as a whole. And the conference focused on New England! I was delighted to go to it.
I wrote about my plan to attend the meeting in this blogpost, and you can see the videos of the meeting at the Nuclear Going Forward website.
Vermont Yankee and Nuclear Going Forward.
There were three main sections to the meeting. I will discuss only the second section: a panel focused on existing power plants.
The panel started with extensive discussion about Vermont Yankee (video below). Topics included the reasons for Vermont Yankee shutting down, the consequences of Vermont Yankee shutting down, and the risk factors for other plants in the Northeast. Many of the statements made on this panel will be familiar to readers of this blog. However, there were some factors that were new to me.
What is a "single plant? I knew that single, stand-alone plants are more vulnerable to being shut down. However, I didn't remember that Millstone 2 and 3 have different vendors. They do not have the economies of "sharing" (operators, training, etc.) that most dual-unit plants can boast. They are more vulnerable than other dual-unit plants because their labor costs are higher. It would be a disaster for the New England grid if these plants closed.
Do capacity payments help? I had been heartened to see that the forward capacity auction has been yielding higher prices. That fact, coupled with grid-level "pay for performance," seemed to favor nuclear plants. However, Mohl of Entergy pointed out that nuclear plants run with a very high capacity factors. Most of their revenue comes from kWh produced, and only a small part of their revenues are capacity-type payments (capacity and pay-for-performance). Nuclear plants receive 15-20% of their revenue through the capacity auctions. Plants that run a small percentage of the time get much higher percentages of their revenue from the capacity auctions. In other words, increased prices at the capacity auctions don't help nuclear plants all that much.
Laughing all the way to the bank? During the Polar Vortex, prices on the grid soared and merchant plants gathered a lot of revenue. All businessmen like extra revenue. Still, Mohl of Entergy pointed out that this kind of volatility of energy prices is not good for anyone. Businesses that can't predict their costs will begin to leave the area. Consumers will have less to spend in the area as their utility bills take up more of their income. The result can be a downturn. General economic downturns aren't good for consumers or for energy producers. In other words, during the polar vortex, merchant plants weren't really laughing all the way to the bank.
Forward with Nuclear Going Forward
Nuclear energy is good for
The general consensus of the meeting, however, is that unless the grid begins to value these benefits, nuclear may have a rocky future.
Endnotes:
About the meeting as a whole
You can see videos of the entire meeting at this link: http://nuclear-going-forward.bna.com
The first section of the meeting was an interview with John Kotek of DOE about DOE's funding for nuclear-based research.
The second section was a panel discussion about current plants. The panelists were:
Judd Gregg, former Senator from New Hampshire, now with Nuclear Matters
William Mohl, President, Entergy Wholesale Commodities;
Daniel Weekley, VP, Corporate Affairs, Dominion Resources
(This blog post covered this section of the conference.)
The third section was a panel which included executives from forward-looking nuclear companies, such as LightBridge and NuScale.
Chris Gadomski (Lead Analyst, Nuclear) from Bloomberg New Energy Finance was the moderator for all sections. As you can see in the videos, Gadomski asked excellent questions. He kept the meeting interesting and (miracle!) on schedule.
Attending Nuclear Going Forward
It was difficult to get to the meeting. Appearing at 8:30 a.m. for a meeting in an expensive hotel in Boston's Back Bay is do-able if:
Neither was true for me. I left my driveway in Vermont at 5:17 a.m. for what Google describes as a two-hour-and-ten-minute drive if there was only light traffic. I arrived at the meeting room at 9:05. (Breakfast was over and the first session was starting.) Yeah, traffic was bad. I wasn't the only one who was late.
Once I got there, it was worth it. However, the choice of time and place did make me wonder. What audience were the meeting planners hoping to attract? Why was the meeting set up in this difficult manner?
Rod Adams and Nuclear Going Forward
Rod Adams was also at the meeting, and his blog post about the meeting is here. He has some interesting observations, including illuminating conversations with panelists. There are over twenty comments on his post, and I encourage you to read both his post and the comments.
On June 24, in Boston, Bloomberg BNA and Nuclear Matters co-sponsored an event about the future of nuclear, Nuclear Going Forward. The two organizations are holding a series of these joint events. The June meeting was A Chain Reaction: The Role of Nuclear Energy in New England's Energy Mix.
The June meeting had an absolutely stellar line-up of speakers, including nuclear plant owners and nuclear start-up companies. In this meeting, nuclear energy (current and future) was not compartmentalized, but rather presented as a whole. And the conference focused on New England! I was delighted to go to it.
I wrote about my plan to attend the meeting in this blogpost, and you can see the videos of the meeting at the Nuclear Going Forward website.
Vermont Yankee and Nuclear Going Forward.
There were three main sections to the meeting. I will discuss only the second section: a panel focused on existing power plants.
The panel started with extensive discussion about Vermont Yankee (video below). Topics included the reasons for Vermont Yankee shutting down, the consequences of Vermont Yankee shutting down, and the risk factors for other plants in the Northeast. Many of the statements made on this panel will be familiar to readers of this blog. However, there were some factors that were new to me.
What is a "single plant? I knew that single, stand-alone plants are more vulnerable to being shut down. However, I didn't remember that Millstone 2 and 3 have different vendors. They do not have the economies of "sharing" (operators, training, etc.) that most dual-unit plants can boast. They are more vulnerable than other dual-unit plants because their labor costs are higher. It would be a disaster for the New England grid if these plants closed.
Do capacity payments help? I had been heartened to see that the forward capacity auction has been yielding higher prices. That fact, coupled with grid-level "pay for performance," seemed to favor nuclear plants. However, Mohl of Entergy pointed out that nuclear plants run with a very high capacity factors. Most of their revenue comes from kWh produced, and only a small part of their revenues are capacity-type payments (capacity and pay-for-performance). Nuclear plants receive 15-20% of their revenue through the capacity auctions. Plants that run a small percentage of the time get much higher percentages of their revenue from the capacity auctions. In other words, increased prices at the capacity auctions don't help nuclear plants all that much.
Laughing all the way to the bank? During the Polar Vortex, prices on the grid soared and merchant plants gathered a lot of revenue. All businessmen like extra revenue. Still, Mohl of Entergy pointed out that this kind of volatility of energy prices is not good for anyone. Businesses that can't predict their costs will begin to leave the area. Consumers will have less to spend in the area as their utility bills take up more of their income. The result can be a downturn. General economic downturns aren't good for consumers or for energy producers. In other words, during the polar vortex, merchant plants weren't really laughing all the way to the bank.
Forward with Nuclear Going Forward
Nuclear energy is good for
- reliability (of course),
- economic sustainability (prices are low and not volatile), and
- environmental sustainability (no carbon, no acid gases, small quantity of mined material compared to fossil fuels of all kinds).
The general consensus of the meeting, however, is that unless the grid begins to value these benefits, nuclear may have a rocky future.
Endnotes:
About the meeting as a whole
You can see videos of the entire meeting at this link: http://nuclear-going-forward.bna.com
The first section of the meeting was an interview with John Kotek of DOE about DOE's funding for nuclear-based research.
The second section was a panel discussion about current plants. The panelists were:
Judd Gregg, former Senator from New Hampshire, now with Nuclear Matters
William Mohl, President, Entergy Wholesale Commodities;
Daniel Weekley, VP, Corporate Affairs, Dominion Resources
(This blog post covered this section of the conference.)
The third section was a panel which included executives from forward-looking nuclear companies, such as LightBridge and NuScale.
Chris Gadomski (Lead Analyst, Nuclear) from Bloomberg New Energy Finance was the moderator for all sections. As you can see in the videos, Gadomski asked excellent questions. He kept the meeting interesting and (miracle!) on schedule.
Attending Nuclear Going Forward
It was difficult to get to the meeting. Appearing at 8:30 a.m. for a meeting in an expensive hotel in Boston's Back Bay is do-able if:
- you live in Boston and know the T
- you have the money to stay overnight in Boston, preferably at an expensive hotel in Boston's Back Bay.
Neither was true for me. I left my driveway in Vermont at 5:17 a.m. for what Google describes as a two-hour-and-ten-minute drive if there was only light traffic. I arrived at the meeting room at 9:05. (Breakfast was over and the first session was starting.) Yeah, traffic was bad. I wasn't the only one who was late.
Once I got there, it was worth it. However, the choice of time and place did make me wonder. What audience were the meeting planners hoping to attract? Why was the meeting set up in this difficult manner?
Rod Adams and Nuclear Going Forward
Rod Adams was also at the meeting, and his blog post about the meeting is here. He has some interesting observations, including illuminating conversations with panelists. There are over twenty comments on his post, and I encourage you to read both his post and the comments.
Tuesday, March 17, 2015
Distributed Generation for Vermont: Making a Virtue of Necessity
Panel, from left to right: William Driscoll of A.I.V at podium, me, TJ Poor of Vermont DPS, Douglas Smith of GMP, John Goodrich of Weidmann Photo courtesy of Howard Shaffer |
The panel about power
On Friday March 13, I was panel moderator at an ISO-NE (New England grid operator) meeting of the Consumer Liaison Group. We discussed the past and the future of the grid in Vermont and the Northeast.
I enjoyed the meeting, and I hope I was able to be a good moderator. Here's my post about the meeting, and here's a direct link to the ISO-NE web page about the meeting. All the presentations were excellent and worth reading. They are posted on the ISO-NE page. In this following post, I share some of my personal opinions, inspired by this event.
Importing Vermont's Electricity
I moderated a panel. One of the panel participants claimed that closing Vermont Yankee had no effect on Vermont utilities. He said that the utilities had no power contracts with Vermont Yankee after 2012 (this is true). So didn't matter to Vermont utilities that the plant closed in 2014.
After his comment, I decided to make my own comment, as the moderator. I noted that whether or not local utilities were contracting with Vermont Yankee to buy power, the Energy Information Administration looks at states in terms on what electricity is produced within the state. Vermont Yankee used to make about 70% of the power produced in the state. When it went off-line permanently, that left the state with only 30% of its previous in-state power supply available. Therefore, shutting Vermont Yankee makes a huge difference to Vermont, if you look at the power produced within the state, not the power contracts.
I basically shared the comments above, as a clarification, during the meeting. In this blog, I will go a little further.
Power contracts are written by utilities. Utilities can make long and short term contracts with all sorts of power generators, near and far. The types of power under contract can change in a week, a month, or in the very instant that a new piece of paper is signed. However, power produced in the state changes more slowly. Power produced within the state is far more indicative of the state-of-the -state, in terms of electricity. That is why the Energy Information Agency looks at power produced within the state, not at power contracts.
Vermont electricity
With Vermont Yankee closed, the state of Vermont produces less than 1/3 of the electricity that it produced a year ago. If someone asked me: "Where does Vermont get its electricity from?" I would have a simple answer. We get our electricity from out of state.
This answer means that the Vermont Energy Plan for 90% renewables and the newest energy bills that are now debated in the Vermont legislature are a bit…well, maybe… a bit silly? No. "Silly" is a loaded word. "Unrealistic" sounds better. I'll go with "unrealistic."
Thinking about Distributed Generation
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6.5 Kilowatt Wind Turbine Britain |
In his third slide, Smith admits that most of the Green Mountain Power electricity supply is sourced from outside of Vermont. Much of the rest of his presentation concerns Vermont incentives for renewables and distributed generation: those incentives that are in place now, and those that are proposed.
Our choice by choice---or our choice by necessity?
When you are listening to a well-organized presentation, you can't help but "buy in" to the presenter's view of the situation. When I was listening to Poor and to Smith, I thought that Vermont had chosen distributed generation.
But afterwards, I began to wonder.
Have we chosen distributed generation because distributed generation is such a great thing? Or is it because it is really Vermont's only choice? Vermont Yankee is closed, we import around 70-80% of our power from out of state or even out of the country. Nothing wrong with that. However, if we want to say something to the world besides "We'll buy whatever electricity you are selling," we have to build some power production in-state.
What power production can we build in Vermont? Only a madman would try to site a good-sized thermal plant in Vermont. Gas pipelines are fiercely opposed, and coal would be laughed out of the state. (People wouldn't even protest coal. They would just laugh, I think.) Nobody would ever try to build another nuclear plant. We can build some more hydro, but hydro is pretty tapped-out in the Northeast. Certainly there are no further sites for big hydro.
So there you have it. If we build anything in Vermont, it will be small. It will be "distributed generation."
Virtue and Necessity
We can make a virtue (clean! small!) of the necessity to build only small facilities. We can make comprehensive energy plans and pass new laws about renewables. We can get good press. We can pat ourselves on the back. We can claim to be the cleanest and the greenest state in the whole United States.
Well and good. However, in the meantime---
If someone asked me: "Where does Vermont get its electricity from?" I would have a simple answer. We get our electricity from out of state.
Tuesday, March 10, 2015
Update: Consumer Liaison Group Meeting This Friday
Update: More information about the meeting is now available on this website:
You can scroll down to see the call-in number, the meeting agenda, and you can read or download the slides that will be presented.
As I have mentioned before on this blog, I am one of the two Vermont members of the Coordinating Committee for the Consumer Liaison Group (CLG) of ISO-NE. ISO-NE is the New England grid operator.
The purpose of the CLG is to bring the voice of the consumer to the grid operator. The CLG is administered (meetings set up, website maintained etc) by the Office of the Attorney General in Massachusetts. The Office hosts a page about the history and purposes of the group.
Meetings are free and open to the public, but are generally advertised through existing groups and not-for-profits, not in the popular press. You can see that Vermont Energy Partnership and Vermont Businesses for Social Responsibility helped to publicize this meeting. The meetings include a free lunch and some rather heavy-duty discussions of grid issues. I think that is why the CLG doesn't put announcements in the newspapers. (That's my opinion, NOT an official CLG statement!) At any rate, the meetings are free and open to the public.
The meetings are held quarterly, and they rotate from state to state in New England. This is the first time in about three years that the meeting has been held in Vermont. I am very pleased to be the panel moderator for this meeting.
I made a jpg of the announcement in order to put it on this blog, so the links in the jpg do not work. Here is a link to the ISO-NE page about the meeting. You can register on that page. If you plan to come to the meeting, I do urge you to register in advance, because they order food. The presentation pdfs for this meeting will also be posted on the meeting page.
To see pdfs of presentations from earlier meetings, scroll down the main page to see documents and resources.
I hope to see some of you at the meeting!
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